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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 8, 2006 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Today is a great day. Why? Let me tell you why. First: Dems take back control (that may not be all we hope it will be, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now). Second: My favorite pizza place had my favorite lunch on special today (egg plant parm and Coke for $3.99). Third: thanks to unusual traffic to and from work, I was able to work in more than the usual amount of quality Dead listening time. Fourth, and for me the best of all: the one person on the globe who, to me anyway, represents all things un-Jerrylike resigned. The master of the buzz kill is no more. Mr. Rumsfeld is now riding his ozone killing, third world thrashing, gas guzzling, Abramoff paid for, pedestrian menacing SUV off into the sunset. Thank you Lord. Tommorrow may be back to business as usual, but at least I have today. I can live with that.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 8, 2006 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Are you f'in kidding me?!? I missed the details on the pop up news item with his face, but Dead forum or not, you are absolutely right that it should be celebrated (even non-voting Jerry would bid him a hearty 'goodnight!').

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 8, 2006 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

I feel your high too! No eggplant parm (sounds good though), but otherwise lot's of good news! No driving for me, or GD (yet). But I am going through the promo cd's that's been growing on my desk. Medeski, Scofield, Martin & Wood, JJ Cale & Clapton- The Road to Escondido (new yesterday, very nice), Dylan- Modern Times, Widespread Panic- Earth to America, Los Lobos-the Town & the City (on now, very nice also), got some Olatunji, Gomez, the new Best of Jerry G and a few others, then maybe 7/8/78 or something from the Forums tonight... A good day for me and for all as well I'm hoping. Hopefully the changes coming will keep your son home, when he gets home! God bless them all and keep them safe!!!

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 9, 2006 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Eggplant parm gives me haertburn, but Democrats give me a hope for some changes for the better

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 8, 2006 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

I've been dancing a jig all day too. Here's a bit about Rumi's successor...

Robert M. Gates was the Central Intelligence Agency's deputy director for intelligence (DDI) from 1982 to 1986. He was confirmed as the CIA's deputy director of central intelligence (DDCI) in April of 1986 and became acting director of central intelligence in December of that same year. Owing to his senior status in the CIA, Gates was close to many figures who played significant roles in the Iran/contra affair and was in a position to have known of their activities. The evidence developed by Independent Counsel did not warrant indictment of Gates for his Iran/contra activities or his responses to official inquiries.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_16.htm

Let's hope Bob shakes things up on the Hill. It can't get any worse can it?

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 8, 2006 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

if hillary becomes pres in 08,things will be much worse brother,let's hope someone steps up to the plate before she does.

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

I'd say Barbara Boxer will be a candidate before Frau Clinton. Babs will be 2nd in line for the Presidency, assuming she'll be our House Speaker.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 9, 2006 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

No it's Pelosi who I personally like a lot

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Poster: lastcall Date: Nov 8, 2006 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

I think he'll do a great job of keeping the next war a secret. Out of sight, out of mind.

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 8, 2006 9:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

That's what I'm afraid of. Shrub will be his 7th President he's served under. You can't survive Washington that long without being a poli-crat. Another good ole boy from Texas. Heaven help the fool. And another thing I just realized... Ollie North was his patsy!

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Nov 9, 2006 5:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

I am so glad too!!! Its gonna be great having my new paycheck I will start getting in a few weeks taken from me at gun point...I mean taxed to hell! I mean really ...who would want Republicans lowering taxes and then hiking up fees for different things and then letting us decide how we will spend our money. I Love communism and just having a bloated government take as much as they say is needed and leaving me with no options for myself... Oh yes this is gonna be so good! Even that bloated piece of crap Ted Kennedy was talking about the future..he was saying the donkies are the party of the future...what future? What a great plan he offers...(notice that is all he said!...there is no plan!)Oh wait..Im off the tracks...our great future in MA includes giving undocumented citizens(I mean illegal aliens)drivers licenses and college tuition(hey they earned it after swimming so hard to get here!)
brothers give me a break!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2006 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Damn Deadbuck - i guess we share the same vision of our noble and prosperous future here in MA. I am envisioning the same thing as you apparently. I am damn afraid of what is going to happen to my paycheck too. And what the hell is up with Deval wanting to give everything to illegal immigrants - i just don't understand how that didn't hurt him in the polls more. I totally agree with keeping "fees" hiked and then letting "us" decide where we would like to spend our hardearned cash. We are heading right back to Taxachussetts - DP may end up making even Dukakis look good. Not that I was a huge Healey fan, but holy shit.... this just can't be good for us.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 9, 2006 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

DEADBUCK/DIRE - Hah! Try Jerry Brown as attorney general(top cop). puke!...fuckin' inmates running the asylum...

It'd be one thing to let drug offenders out of prison, but this whack-job wants to set kiddie-f'ers and other violent felons free...ouch!

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 9, 2006 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Will Dems raise taxes? Maybe. But for all the taxes that were cut under W, 10 times more was added to the national debt (which is a much better indicator of how far we are in the hole as a country). I'm not going to point fingers as to who was responsible, I think both parties share blame, but the fact is that this enormous debt will have to be paid some day, and I am very scared that my kids will bear the brunt of the problem when they're my age. I wouldn't mind shelling out a bit more in taxes if I knew it were being used intelligently in a way that is going to make things better in the future, not just today. I could care less about myself, but I do care about my kids, and it seems as if politicians today don't seem to be focusing on the future. Both parties are so wrapped up in staying in power that they try to fix the easy things that will appease the massess for awhile (remember that $400 dollar "refund" that went out to all parents a few years back? Do you also remember that you had to basically pay it back at the end of the year? I do) while the bigger problems continue to grow in the back ground. I don't care if its a Republican or a Democrat, but sooner or later someone is going to have to stand up and start making decesions that focus on things other than what will make their masses happy today. OK, rant over, carry on.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 10, 2006 4:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

"but sooner or later someone is going to have to stand up and start making decesions that focus on things other than what will make their masses happy today."

been holding my breath for 40 years on that one. dems, repubs, independents, shite, they're all pigs at the end of the day. public servants my arse.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 10, 2006 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Yup, this election was alleged to be a referendum on the war in Iraq. Not 24 hours afterward both Howard Dean and Pelosi suggest that there's little they can do to influence the way in which it proceeds. (Point of fact is that they never suggested they had a plan for troop withdrawal, just that George's way sucked.) Somewhow though, the whole thing seems surrealistically disingenuous since the party appears to be impotent on the most critical issue of the election. Strike another blow for peace, love and misunderstanding.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 10, 2006 5:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

dont you just love it?? produce spin to make the populace think "things will change" and then come out with "we don't know how." typical USA politics (probably any nation for that matter). i wonder what pete townsend was actually thinking when he stated "we wont get fooled again." it just seems like, no matter who we vote for, or what party, things just don't change.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 10, 2006 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Here's what Pete was thinking: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

My thinking is this: No true liberal or conservative ideaology as it pertains to government can wholly survive, when it's always being negotiated to the center. The good news is that our government isn't likely to do anything radical in either direction. The bad news is that following a moderate ideaology rarely moves a government off of dead center...like a paralysis of the decision making process.

The system, by all appearances, is screaming out for some kind of third party representation to give a nudge to the status quo.

I vote for Queen Oprah! "Head' of the Party Party!

All Hail, or is it Aw Hell?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 10, 2006 5:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

i really hope our "new" government wont be doint anything too far outside the "center." I just don't have much trust in the tax happy democrats. I like to decide what i do with my money rather than some joker telling me i must suppost illegal immigrants, making sure my black/hispanic/guatamalinc/etc neighbor has bigger tv than i have because they are "oppressed." I find democratic ideology a joke in its current form - it borders upon communism. You work for what you get. No freebies. My ancestors came from Ireland - why don't i get food stamps and HD TV like my immigrant neighbors. It is a fuckin joke - When some ignorant people say "send them all back"..... sometimes i cant help but commiserate with that thought. I hate to sound like a racist - because im not - plenty of piece of shit white "gimme girls" in my fine commonwealth of Massachusetts.
The only reason the republicans lost was because of Bush's war on Iraq. Other than that - people around here aren't complaining overly much. Our taxes are cool - now they will be goin down the shitter with Deval Patrick and his f'in democratic cronies. I truly believe the middle class is now fucked.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 10, 2006 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

The only reason the republicans lost was because of Bush's war on Iraq. Other than that - people around here aren't complaining overly much

50 000 + iraqi CIVILIAN deaths deserve to be more than a footnote or a quick aside.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 10, 2006 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

OK - i phrased that pretty poorly - my apologies. I by no means meant to portray that i feel that the deaths or our brothers and sisters, nor iraqi civilians are simply a footnote. Im just not sure the Dems would or could havd done a whole lot differently.
I just meant that economically, we are not in a totally terrible situation (national deficit be damned - that truly means shit in the whole picture) and that with the democrats now winning the house and senate, we will now enter a time of terrible situation. I'm sick of rising taxes and the dems are the worst of the worst when it comes to that.

Again, sorry for my phraseology - i now realize that came across as quite callous - but that was not my intent. Hope you guys know me better than that from prior posts regarding our soldiers.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 10, 2006 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

peace dire.

ian

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 10, 2006 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

sorry man - didnt' mean to offend. hope you know me better than that.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 10, 2006 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

i do, i do. i just read the post as being slightly cavalier. almost a toss off, 'other than bush's war'. bush's war IS a BIG deal and it ain't going away. i wouldn't dare comment on your domestic politics! simply not my buisness. unfortunately, his war has infact become everyone's war, trust me.

nothing will be solved here, tonight. like many have said before - politics don't work on this forum. i'll learn yet : )

i'm back to the music.

ian







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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 10, 2006 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Bush's war? Somehow I don't think poor ol' dumb George is single handedly responsible for a worldwide surge in Islamic fundamentalism. Just like I can't hold him responsible for the death of 50,000 Iraqi citizens, which may be a token number compared to the internal carnage they are capable of rending on each other. Our mistake is obvious, the tribal and religious fundamentalist politics of the region are too far behind the civilized world to entrust to a democratic way of governance.

It's hard to imagine, but probably true, there would be less violence reported on United States television news stations if Iraq was ruled by it's own murderous dictator and we minded our own business.

By the way, Al Qaeda sent out a tape today congratulating us on the elections. I guess they liked what they saw.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 10, 2006 8:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

earl,

i thought you weren't one for talking politics on this forum?

if you can't hold the highest office in the land responsible, then who should field the blame? i thought the buck stops there? absolutely no accountablity in that god damned administration.

talk about fundamentalism! - http://www.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/jesuscamp/trailer/ featuring ted haggard no less!




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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 10, 2006 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Ian: I don't think the subject of politics is intructional around this forum unless it has something to do with the band. The biggest reason is that there are those that incorrectly assume that all Dead fans are dyed in the wool liberal democrats. Gloating over the election is unbecoming in mixed company under those circumstances.

Our mutual devotion to the music is worthy of admiration on it's own, the subject of politics and the commentaries it provokes doesn't mesh with our usual feel good vibe.

Not following my own advice, when was the last American troops pulled from Kosovo? Were Europen victims of atrocities any more or less important than those in Iraq? Wasn't Clinton's management of the "war" in the Balkans characterized as a "quagmire?"

George could have handled the election differently, he could have been caught getting blown by an intern and impeached to keep the country's mind off his mismanaged war effort.



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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 10, 2006 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

thanks for responding earl. i must admit, i'm all but done for the day.

you know i'm not looking for a fight and i'm certainly in no position to gloat. i know why i chimed in and i have no regrets. i would have loathed myself if i bit my tongue any longer. there is a time and place for everything, and your right, it's not here.

as always, i look forward to reading your posts.

enjoy your weekend.

ian



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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 10, 2006 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Ian....agreed.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 10, 2006 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

i hear ya man - i reread my post and completely agree it came off as a cavalier comment on a subject that is so not simply cavalier. I need to be more careful - a few too many beers and i mis-phrased. thanks for pointing that out ian. don't want to come across to other who don't "know me" in an incorrect manner.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 10, 2006 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Dire: I'm with ya. Here's the clincher, get any of our socialist brothers to answer this one and win a prize!

When was the last time a country was taxed into prosperity?

Substitute the words "business" or "family" for country if you wish.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 10, 2006 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

WORD!!!! that is what i meant in a completely inappropriate phraseology (like ian pointed out to me, rightly so)

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 10, 2006 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

Earl, Dire, DEADBUCK(shocker), High Flow,..........hmmmmmm.....who else..........................?

I'm guessing those guys have been running families AND businesses? Don't get me started on what I make and what I take....it's pitiful already. SHIT!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 10, 2006 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Farewell to the Anti-Jerry

we are right - they are wrong - proves our supreme intelligence and insight into US politics. damn, we are smart - maybe we should run for office under the new LMA Party. We wouldn't win - but we sure may have better ideas :)

(may be a few too many skeletons in our closets though - lol)